He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. I might have served you in the shop in the early 70s as a teenager. Scottish Skier February 15, 2020 at 7:51 PM. He said: "So I had a house and I had a supply, because I knew someone who could get me smack. Know your enemy. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, textile mills and coal mining were important; in the early-nineteenth century, shipbuilding emerged as Govan's principal industry. Glorious Govan. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. Knowing a house which was empty he pre-emptively sought approval from the council to use it as part of the operation. Editors' Code of Practice. My dad gave my a slap for not fighting them, god was only about five years old. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! However, the dealers were less careful back in Wine Alley where they thought they were untouchable. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. The jumps I remember were at the swing park at Harhill across from the steamie and at Greenfield where we jumped the middens and shelter and going along the wall (single brick width). Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? Media/news company. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. Of pigella miraculous ladybug power. The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. Third, the importance of housing management services such as concierge or neighbourhood warden duties are understated in the document, and they are not considered as playing a core public service in the maintenance and upkeep of the areas they service.10 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. February 15, 2020 at 4:10 PM @ Anonymous LMFAO ! Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. I was born in Govan in 1941. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. They expect 20 calls a week from officers needing help. Alley & Vine. One day in the Summer, off we went to the Steamie, everybody went in, my Cousin and I stayed outside. Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. HAPPY TIMES. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. I was brought up on Broomloan Road, Ibrox across from Ibrox high flats.the Ibrox house pub was just up road from me as well. The plan was to video and record any deals as they happened - a tricky and dangerous proposition. Also remember when we started school in 1943, we had to carry our gas masks with us. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. or. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. 125m Harley's ice cream parlour . There is absolutely no hiding from the fact that no Section 30 is the bullying action of a . We left Govan when I was two, then lived for five years in Markinch before moving on to Kelty, Cowdenbeath, Armadale, and Rushden down in England. Lived in Georgia where our second daughter was born, and then onto Texas, and now living in California. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. There I was, short hair, snotty-nosed from crying and eating an ice cream cone. Curtis Govan, 23, was convicted in July of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, simple assault, resisting arrest,. I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. My earliest memory is when I was about 4 playing outside our close 39 Nethan St, my mum had got me all dressed up as the photographer was coming to take our photo , me and my 2 sisters sitting on the sideboard I wandered out the house with my new truck with wee soldiers in the back and was playing in a puddle when the photographer arrived and had to get all cleaned up again before the photo was taken, I have FTD (dementia) this affects my short term memory but fortunately not my long term memories, I have cousins who still stay around the wine alley. I remember the following; sitting on the kerb at the mouth of the close playing with the soft tar on the road in the summer with a stick and my mum using melted butter to get the stains of our clothes, playing peever with a shoe polish tin, making up little shows which we all performed in the high backs ,climbing over the pailings, and often getting our knees impaled on the sharp spikes at the top, playing balls against the wall singles and doubles too, climbing onto the steamie roof and jumping onto the pub roof dodging the barbed wire spikes, playing ropes singles and doublers, and swinging on the telephone wires above the low back steamie roof, Summertown Road steamie and baths. 8/1. Call now (425) 271-4501; Address. Nestled among the quaint streets Again, as in the cast of the Gorbals, little was done to remedy the situation until the individual agencies within the local communities combined their power to get something done. We offer great benefits for wine merchants, hotels and restaurants offering your wines. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Pagini similare. Govan and Fisher, former NBA player and current head coach for the Los Angeles Sparks, got married on Saturday at Cielo Farms in Malibu, California. Great memories. When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. @AlanJParks" People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. Zabudli ste daje na prstup k tu? In reply to these petitions, the Scottish Parliament wrote to Glasgow City Council and to Scottish Enterprise Glasgow, asking for their responses to the submission and within 4 months, Glasgow Council had taken steps to set up the Central Govan Action Plan.16 I was born in Govan, at home, on Luath Street in 1935. I have been looking up my family history and her father Michael and all his brothers and sisters were born in Govan between 1884 and 1896. He said be a good girl, I don't want to see you when you're 17 causing problems. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. (they lived up the pen at No. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. I was born in 23 McGregor Street Teucharhill in 1962 and remember my mum waiting until the last minute and getting a lift to the polling station, promising to vote for whichever party candidate provided the transport (aye right) still though when the 70s arrived I would have voted for the blonde wummin shouting through a megaphone at the end of the street even though I'd no idea what she was on about or what party she represented, she was a bit of a belter called Margo MacDonald. Value 3/4 . It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. As a university sociologist, Does anybody recognise the name? Now offering wine & beer by the glass! "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! 114m Nailsby Taylor . He also allowed naval officers in training to visit the shipyard to familiarise themselves with the new vessels. Egg And Chip' 11/2. Lifts were often out of order; maintenance of the blocks was negligible while the area surrounding the tower blocks was allowed to turn into a muddy, rubbish-strewn wasteland. I remember the days my sister and I would take part in the fair while we were in a dancing school, which was named Thompsons. Lots of other good memories but also remember the terrible fires which took place. The spin put on the regeneration programmes of the past have put too much emphasis on bricks and mortar rather than helping people deal with their own problems themselves. who traditionally incorporate the red and black civic colours in the socks of their kit;[43] their Ibrox Stadium has a stand named for Govan (the closest to the heart of the burgh), although officially this was re-named after their former player Sandy Jardine in 2014.[44]. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. The Old Govan Fair. Govan borders the district of Ibrox, home to the Scottish football club Rangers F.C. Resources were stretched as detectives dealt with high levels of violence including murder - much of it drug related. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Introduction MATT McGINN (1928-1977) A for a Pub Hoose Licence. "[13], By the early part of the 19th century, Govan was rapidly losing its rural appearance and assuming the character of a town with the development of new industries and factories, including Reid's Dye Works and Pollok's Silk Mill. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. Recent studies of the archaeology of Govan Old have revealed the presence of an ancient Christian church. We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. [30] British Shipbuilders' sale of Govan to the Norwegian firm was completed in 1988, and the yard was renamed Kvaerner Govan. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. Much later, after years of drink and drugs abuse, I thought about all the time I had wasted and I realised that if I was going to seriously change my life than I had to reeducate myself into a new way of thinking who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. Govan was thriving in those days. Datum OSGB36 - NGR. My Mum was Godmother to your brother and I was at your wedding. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. The School that was situated at the end of Cowie Street was the "Wee Lamby" or Lambhill Junior Primary. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. I used to go there with my Mum to Woolworths, they had shoe shops and everything you wanted. Bought my sweets from The Modern Book Shop and Woolworths. Jackson had only just taken charge of the CID at Govan, having left his post as head of Strathclyde Polices serious crime squad. This was the catalyst that led local Govanites into despising the peoph of Moorepark, and considering them as different and alien. However, there is the potential for tourism development, for example, the planned development of the Govan Old site, which hosts the historically significant stone carvings, has led to the development of the surrounding townscape and new infrastructure. [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. It was a beautiful building and I would have thought that the powers that be could have used it for something. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. Forgotten account? J. N. REILLY There is a war on. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. Napier's Shipyard in Govan was later acquired by William Beardmore and Company in 1876 and incorporated into William Beardmore and Company in around 1900. Government organisation. Lesbian actress Raven-Symone showed off her high top fade and her unique backpack at the Los Angeles Premiere of Fox's 'Empire at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, California. or. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. No1seems2care. The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. Community service. It was a real shame to junk those old tenements instead of refurbishing them. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Does anyone remember the shop or have a picture of it in the background? 122m The Govan Shed . It was very hard during the war for our mother as our brother was three years older and our father was a shipyard worker, working nightshift. George and Mary Breslin's, 2 boys (Raymond and Michael), William & Margaret Gallagher's boy and girl (Charles and Maureen) and John & Annie Mc Culloch's 2 girls and 1 boy ( Elizabeth, Mary and John) which was us. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. 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LAING from Wisdom, Madness and Folly, ALEX CATHCART Nostalgically Speaking Imagination is Money. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley (Image: Newsquest) Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. It was my first Saturday job and I worked there for about a year until the very day when it closed, which I think was in June 1972. When the sirens went for everyone to go to their shelters, our grandfather had to come and help her take us to St. Anthony's school (our shelter). [14] in 1901 the Burgh boundaries increased further west to include Linthouse and West Drumoyne. I used to go to the Harhill Baths every Friday night.Saturday mornings, afternoons were at the Lyceum or The Plaza Picture Houses. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Long range video and still cameras were set up at both locations so that the daily activities of the dealers could be filmed and monitored. Then the place just went to pot. Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . I am Mary Haggarty and it was 95 Golspie street, cannot believe someone remembers, my mum will probably remember your family will ask her tonight. JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! In 1841, Robert Napier began iron shipbuilding in Govan, and in 1843 produced its first ship, the Vanguard. At the time DS Jackson said: These two cops were the real heroes and were at high risk. Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's I had to leave early as I was going to a residential orchestral camp but I was so heartbroken at the shop closing, I didn't want to miss a moment of that last day. Nu acum. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. I attended Notre Dame School and Jackie told customers this to reassure them of the standard of my handwriting! Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. Many memories but top must be winning Whitefield Cup with Under 13s against Lourdes in 1962 by 7-6. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council \"modernised\" it and tried to reintroduce the original name Moorepark but after 40 years of being the Wine Alley most people forgot about or even knew that the Wine Ally was originally called Moorepark and did not approve of the name Moorepark and continued to call it Wine Alley. Replies. Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. British Aerospace, established by the same act, was privatised in 1981. My sister and I were born the year before the second world war at Montrose nursing home in Govan. A later rebuilding was begun in 1884 and was opened 19 May 1888.[11][45]. When the car stopped at lights in Helen Street it was surrounded by the surveillance team who arrested the driver and seized the heroin which had a street value of 50,000 - worth 125,000 today. They were both always on a mission to land a. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. No1seems2care. I went to Harmony Row school and below is my class photograph from around 1957, I have given the names as far as I remember starting at the back row left. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. In fact, within only two years of the first tenants moving into their 7-storey deck-access blocks (in 1972); they had begun to complain about severe dampness, condensation, and water penetration. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe.